Friday 20 January 2017

Good governance is producing good government and through good Legislation …NKEM-ABONTA



By Sunny Anderson Osiebe...



The business of lawmaking in a complex federation like Nigeria is an arduous undertaking that requires not only dexterity or adroitness but soundness of character and a heart that beats for the good of the nation as well as its people. These are undeniable qualities found in Hon. Uzoma Nkem- Abonta – a third term member of the green chambers representing Ukwa East/West Federal Constituency. In this interview on good governance Hon. Abonta sheds light on the role of the House of Representatives in the fight against corruption and in revamping the economy which is evidently on a downward spiral. He also talks about the leadership tussle in the House, his score card in the first session of the 8th Assembly and other relevant issues.
What is your scorecard in the first 1st Session of the 8th National Assembly.
The 8th Assembly has been very robust in spite of the challenges accompanied with change. We have managed to weather the storm and to God be the glory, we have done relatively well in areas of national issues and economic matters. You recall we were inaugurated on the 9th of June, 2015 and since then we have been doing very well.
If you look at our scorecard based on the number of bills or motions or based on debates, you will agree with me that the 8th assembly under the leadership of Yakubu Dogara has done very well, even, though one or two things are left to be done. We do not proclaim to be angels but we are far from being the devil.
Considering the time devoted to the polities of leadership, most Nigerians nurse the perception that the last one year was devoted to leadership tussle, how true is this perception?
Well, leadership tussle is a continuous process, even in heaven we know that leadership tussle is still on; Satan is still fighting hard, not relenting. That is why Christians pray every day. So also, in the National Assembly, leadership tussle is still playing out but to God be the glory, the Assembly, particularly, the House of Representatives, have been able to overcome that to a large extent. What they have is banana peels, here and there and I think Yakubu Dogara is mindful of those banana peels and has done well to avoid them.
We cannot say we do not have leadership tussle but those that are inordinately ambitious, who say “it must be me”, are still doing some covert activities to bring down or to sabotage the efforts of Dogara but the collective will of every one of us has been keeping and pushing in a way that one may not notice the leadership tussle, easily. It is everywhere. It is in all the parties; the committees and all walks of life, it is there but we do well to manage the tussle. Some cult clashes and all what not, being experienced today, it’s also part of leadership tussle but I want to tell you and I stand to be corrected, that in spite of the leadership tussle challenges, we have remained one in focus and we are moving ahead in the best interest of Nigeria.
As a lawmaker, what areas do you think can be improved upon for the effectiveness of the House of Representatives?
Basically, the first thing we need to do is to look at the capacity building of the Legislators. You know we came from all walks of life; some traders, some doctors, some engineers, some lawyers, some farmers, some nothing and we all converged to represent the interest of our people. So, you cannot do what you do not understand how to do. This is why we need capacity building. Unfortunately, we have not incorporated this capacity building in the ongoing training for lack of funds. People are shouting in the National Assembly, budget should be downsized which we did, forgetting that there are Nigerian Institute of legislative studies and News management and so on. They forget that these things take money. Presidential system of governance is expensive and if you must to do it today, you must train the people and give them the competence and the capacity to do what they ought to do. How can you draft a bill or debate on a bill about a subject matter that is unknown to you? How are you going to discuss what you do not know and even if you attempt to discuss, you will only be discussing from a shallow point of view. You may approach it from a point of ignorance. So, capacity building is the foremost thing that needs to be done.
Again, the uncalled executive interference of lawlessness and party interference should also be reduced by people, that you may be able to do your work as per the interest of your people not as per the interest of your godfathers or the executive.
A typical example of this unsuitable interference is the case of the budget. Nigerian legislators are budget-writing legislators but you saw what happened, that on the long run, the legislature did not make the 2016 budget. It was purely an executive budget; we got it as presented. Does that reflect the interest of the people who sent me?

In the interest of Nigeria, we said, let there be a budget without chaos. Let us be moving and hope that the Executive too would shift a little ground and look at how things are done in civilised societies. We are not in a military government; we are in a democratic government. So, the Executive arm must not insist it must be in their terms. They should give room for due process - bring it to us, we look at it; have what I choose to call, advanced interface – they should not bring it to us and expect a garbage in, garbage out, feedback.

Now, we are in 2016, by the end of 2016, why not begin to prepare for us what may be the budget of 2017. So, we begin to discuss it, to sort out the areas and look at it in advance. So that when the budget comes, there won’t be much friction but of course friction is part of politics. It is allowed but to be able to have friction without an injury is what many should clamour for. We shouldn’t allow this friction to grit so much that we now get injured but as per the legislators, there must be what I call interface - periodic interface. We should rub minds; after all, we are all here to serve Nigeria. They should not forget that the Legislature is an arm of government as well as the Judiciary and the Executive. The government does not revolve and end with the executive.

So when these things are sorted out and put in place, then I think we can begin to have free and fair elections. Nobody should clog the wheel of the legislature because what we experience now is little clots and bricks in the legislative wheel.  They should allow the wheel flow freely, that way democracy will go on.

It is no story that our economy is in a quagmire. What do you think can be done or what are you people doing to help revamp the economy?

We do not need a soothsayer or a prophet to tell us that the economy is deteriorating. According to one of my colleagues who granted an interview, he advised that the citizenry should put on a life jacket because as the economy is moving like this and like that, it will soon sink. The generality of our economy is influenced by the economic and financial principles of the present government. For example, banks are retrenching and you cannot tell them not to retrench, as you did not give them money to trade. It is a private business. Until we pump money into the system, there won’t be a turnaround. So, I think that as an economy that is diving seriously, we must do something to ameliorate the situation and as legislators, all hands are on deck to see what we can do to salvage the system. That’s why we peacefully accepted the budget. So that there will be money in the system. That’s why we sit down to discuss. That’s why we also allowed, graciously - because it’s the right thing to do - the removal of subsidy. Because we cannot continue with subsidy. If you recall, in the last government, we opposed subsidy removal. That was a wrong opposition. Subsidy has to be removed, so the savings can be injected back into the system that we may go on.

What is the role of the Legislative in the fight against corruption?

Oh, of course, corruption is what we must help to fight but let me also let you know that corruption is big and has eaten deep into the system. There are species of corruption - stealing of funds is corruption; inflating of contracts is corruption; favouring your kit and kin with political appointments is corruption and so on. That is why the House of Representatives is insisting on federal character. In the appointments done so far, can we claim federal character? In all government parastatals, can we claim federal character? Are all the geopolitical zones, equally represented?  In giving out juicy things, do you consider the situation of the country? Taking money without invoicing is corruption. Delaying to finish a matter is also corruption. So, as legislators, we are strengthening the legal regime to fight corruption.

The Judiciary will play a vital role to stop corruption than even the Executive but we are here supporting President Buhari, 100% on corruption. Using anti-corruption crusades to fight enemies alone is corruption. You should also give them a freehand without having them pushed to fight. Influencing a judge to come out with a particular way of judgement is also corruption. Fighting political misled battles is also corruption, as they are corrupting the political system. So, corruption is a large concept but we must try to reduce its existence to the barest minimum. On that point, we are 100% with President Muhammadu Buhari in fighting this menace, as it is our greatest enemy.

You have passed so many bills and moved many motions in the last one year. How has your bills and motions influenced good governance?

Of course, as a Legislator, your primary responsibility is law-making; to sponsor bills that will lead to good governance. When I came to the Assembly, I realised that the only way out of the current economic mess is to have an alternative to oil. Having another alternative to oil will mean, having other areas that we can effectively deal with. You can agree with me that Nigeria is seen as a dumping ground - we import more than we export. Which begs the question, what can we do to ensure that we export more, so we can earn more? In this regard, I started crafting bills and motions that are geared towards improving and stabilising the agricultural sector, the export sector that we may be able to have things done. Otherwise, if we rely solely on oil, then we would be nose-diving as oil is nose-diving.

So, the first motion I moved was the motion to have the handover note of President Goodluck Jonathan, so we can have a basis to access President Muhammadu Buhari. Idon’t know if we have gotten that handover note, yet. If we get the note, we will know to what extent he went before handing over; whether the money he claimed he left, he actually did. We will, also know where he stopped; appreciate what he achieved; learn from where he failed and generally, access his tenure. The next motion I moved was a motion that borders on increasing the Police force because we are understaffed in that area. If you do not have Police to protect and save lives, in vain are we making these laws to secure lives and properties. On that note, I am glad President Muhammadu Buhari listened and is currently recruiting people into the Police force. Then, I went into other things like statutory instruments that allows persons who have are given authority to make laws, to carry us along on their activities. The bills that I have done so well are the Community exchange bills. This bill suggests that agricultural products should have bases for us to market them and market them very well. Ghana, Ethiopia to mention but a few, survives on cocoa and farm produce. They have a very lucrative community exchange platform. Do you know that the number of people that eat chocolate is almost equal to those that use oil? For everything you do in this world, you are most likely to use chocolate, especially in the international community. Why can't we also do that? The tallest building in Ibadan today was built with cocoa money. So, what's happening now? These are some areas that I tried to draw the attention of the government for a better Nigeria. In Investment and Security exchange bill, I have to my credit about forty to fifty (40-50) bills of which some have been signed into law. I went into agriculture; animal health and husbandry, so we can monitor how those things are produced and the nomads will be able get maximum government attention.

Then, I also turned to Federal Capital Territory because we are the legislators of FCT and if it is not properly planned, it will look like Lagos, in terms of over-population. In this area, we have done lots of bills to regulate activities in FCT. We also went to Commerce; Chattered Institute of Operational Managers. One thing we suffer in Nigeria is what is known as lack of maintenance culture. Take a look at this one time magnificent edifice known as the National Assembly building, it is deteriorating. I even, don't use the lift anymore because it keeps breaking down. We lack managerial abilities. So, through this bill we wish to challenge those property managers to do their jobs very well, by giving them a legal backing to be able to do their job, anywhere, without hassles. I also touched the International Trade and Financial centre. I thought that the labour institutions must have stable labour organisations for us to have a stable labour business. We established the electronic transaction bills. Today, we talk about e-transfer and all what not, yet we do not have any legal regime regulating it. Supposing you go to the ATM to withdraw money and the transaction fails but your account gets debited and you cannot reverse it. At what time do you hold the bank responsible and at what point can you sign a contract online and so on. We are advocating that there must be laws to regulate issues of this nature. I worked with the Energy commission and we also looked at all those moribund laws. You either dust them up or clean them out and replace them with new ones that will suit the reality of our days. These are all we are trying to do to make Nigeria better and safe. We are focusing on these bills, hoping that when they are passed into law they will assist the Executive in proffering good governance. Good governance is producing good government and through legislation, we hope to do that and in the last one year we did the much time and resources permitted us to do, while we look forward to doing more this year. If you look at our scorecard, you will see that the house has done relatively well in that it has passed more than seven hundred (700) bills. Which is why I say in spite of all the challenges accompanied with change; the leadership tussle and all, the 8th assembly stood her ground and have done noble. We will continue to do well, until we get Nigeria right.

As a third termer, you are well-grounded in terms of law-making business. What is that thing that you think you did not do well in the last one year of the 8th Assembly that you hope to correct in this new legislative year?

Honestly speaking, I cannot pinpoint in the 8th assembly what we didn’t do or have not done well but there are a lot of things yet to be completed. We are in the process, as you know, the leadership tussle took us aback. It was an impediment to all but we overcame it. Also, the manner, in which we are receiving the change, is also an impediment. What we have not gotten right in the National Assembly is capacity building for legislators. It might be an in-house training, not necessarily flying to America or Germany because we must develop our indigenous system known by us. We must have enough in-house training for legislators, so they can have the required capacity to represent their people. Otherwise, we will not fire in full cylinders. So, this is what I think we must get done before we proceed to other matters and we must do that effectively. So, 8th Assembly, we have not failed.

Then the Primary health care is another area, we need to shift our attention to because if the people are hungry, then we cannot sleep. Let me tell you, we must emphasise on the things that will bring food to Nigerians because a hungry man is an angry man and an angry man can do anything. There is an adage that goes thus; the rich have no sleep because the poor are awake and the poor cannot sleep because they are hungry. So, the only way a rich man can sleep is if and only when he provides food for the poor, so that the poor can eat and sleep. There must be something for the poor to eat because in the absence of food, the poor will have the rich as food (laughs)

A lot of persons believe that the 8th Assembly have not done much in terms of oversight functions, do you share their belief?

Yes, I do because in the last one year, the area we have not performed at least up to 70% is the area of oversight functions. But come to think of it, when did they appoint Ministers? When did the Executive get settled to start working? When did the budget come? Have they started implementing the budget? Until the 10th of August that’s when we will start to scrutinize the budget performance. It is only when the budget starts to be implemented, that we will have functions to oversee. Except you are saying that the 8th Assembly, did not inherit the balance of work handed down by the 7th Assembly. If you say that, then we failed but if it is clearly what is on the platform and the front board of the 8th Assembly, there is really not much we could have done. So, in the area of oversight, yes, we have not done much because the budget has just been released.

Another militating factor, before now, was that of Ministers believing they are unanswerable to the legislators. But President Muhammadu Buhari stepped in and made it clear that all Ministers are subject to the call of the National Assembly. Prior to his regime, when you invite a Minister, he/she does not honour your invitation because they nursed the notion that we had no power to summon them. My committee, Public petitions committee, have power of oversight, oversees the petitions brought in by the public and I make bold to say without mincing words, that we have done well in that area. We have considered petitions without sentiments. We have scrutinised them and given the deserving people, justice. Public petition is where the poor can bring the rich and the rich can bring the poor. We sit down and look at the matter devoid of the technicalities; the court fees etc. and we give our recommendation, thereafter. Nigerians find succour now, in public petitions. They use it as a tool to readdress any problem. We had more petitions in this past one year than any other Assembly have had in the last two to three years.

On this note, I can say that we have done relatively well and like I said, earlier, we are not angels, as we are certainly not devils.

Your challenges so far, as a Lawmaker?

My challenges so far will remain my constituency. I need to do more for them and that is why we need to be allowed to make inputs in drafting of budgets. Buhari does not know my constituency and has not been there, except he came there during the military war but from the record he did not fight any body there and since no Minister is from my constituency, who will budget for us? If I do not make an input you will see that we will not be in the budget. This inspires my advocacy, that constituency projects should be allowed, maintained and continued. In fact, if there is an interface, we could even submit these considerations for Ministries to adopt. Then, there is the issue of inter-party and intra-party fracas. I advise, we eschew party bitterness and to this extent, I duff my hat for Yakubu Dogara for leading a House where peace and unity foster. We work as a team, advancing Nigeria, not as parties.

My challenges I still would say, are the speed with which we do things, the form in which we do things, the equipment with which we do things and the lack of capacity building for things. We need all this so we can go on.


How many bills and motions did you sponsor or move, in the last one year?

Well, in the last one year I have been privileged to do about forty-five (45) or thereabout bills. Of which most have passed second reading. About four of them have been signed into law, and we are still counting. You may wonder why I was able to achieve this much during the period under review. It all borders on the capacity building that I have been talking about. I came to the National Assembly as a legislative aide to a Senator. I served in that office for a period of eight (8) years. During which I acquired experience - capacity building. I came 2007 first tenure, second tenure and now. Most of my bills are bills that have been sponsored in the past but didn't get assent. So, I reintroduced them and then kept pushing them to be considered for approval. I have to my credit, 44-45 bills and they are mostly on agriculture, health, non-export matters and then professionalism. There should be stratagems with which things are done around here. This will enable any group of persons who specialise in any given field to have license to practise their profession amidst having some discipline, rules and regulations guiding them.

What should we expect in this 2nd session, in terms of bills and motions?

Well, as we travel around the world and I notice any lacuna in areas bordering on good governance, of course I will sponsor bills that will address the hiatus. Bills are written and sponsored, once the need arises. We don't just write bills because we feel like, bills are written based on necessity.

What is your input on the recent Niger delta bombings?

I will suggest that President Muhammadu Buhari borrows a leaf from the government of late Yar'adua. Applying all wisdom of military tactics will not solve this issue. Now, what is the justice of matter in Niger delta? They are only asking for survival. They are asking to be given enough from what is being taken from them. We need to make laws for the generality of the people. Let there be a legal regime where we can say for all extractive industries mining solid, fluid or whatever, there should be some sort of derivative returns. Derivative principle should be established even in agricultural matters. Cocoa, groundnut, palm oil and all what not, should have derivative practice. Some weeks back, we moved a motion asking to have a lasting solution to the Niger delta struggle and I just told you here that the rich cannot sleep because the poor are awake and the reason they are awake, is hunger. Thus, the only way the Niger delta feud will disappear, is if we provide succour for the unemployed youths that are suffering from oil depredation arising from exploration. Do you know what gas flaring causes? Glaucoma, cancer and all manner of sicknesses. Hence, as you are taking from them, put something back there that can cushion the suffering caused by what you are taking. That's all they are asking for!

So, if they are asking and expressing themselves - though in a very crude way- and you say you are going to kill all of them, will that solve the problem? Two wrongs don't make a right. Is government not continuity? Yar'adua did a gazette of what he intended to do for the militants. I think that President Buhari should consider implementing the things in that paper. If they were paying them stipends, the government can find a way to make those who were trained, employable by incorporating them in the system. That is the only way we can win this struggle. They are not religious fighters. They could be seen as freedom fighters trying to reclaim that you take from them. So, I think in all fairness, what could settle this menace, is to bring a basic template that will ensure development in the area. A typical example is a place called oloebiri. That is the first place the commercial oil flaring was done. Go to that community today, you will cry. They don’t even have a standard hospital but Nigeria has taken so much oil from them causing them so much suffering, blindness and all what not. I can go on and on to mention these communities for you. What have they gotten? So, I appeal to government to reconsider - use and dump shouldn’t be the order of the day.

In the last one of year of the 8th assembly can you recall ways that bipartisanship has come into play in resolving national issues?

Parties need not come together to resolve national issues, they could do it on party level. In the Assembly, the different party caucus come together to discuss national matters. For example, on the case of oil hike, PDP met and resolved that, that is the way forward. Though, Jonathan tried it but destructive criticism and opposition, didn’t let him succeed. So, we decided we are not going to play destructive opposition. We will play credible opposition. We appreciate Buhari for knowing that which Jonathan had taught many years ago but the question is after removing subsidy, what are the palliatives? Try and look at what you can do. The PDP is guiding; like pathfinders, showing them what to do. I also know that APC has met severally to look at issues and so to resolve their own problems. There is no house without mosquito but do not let that mosquito cause you malaria, try and manage it.

What can be done to curb the ugly trend of political godfatherism?

Well, in as much as godfatherism policy is not desirable, it must exist for you to function. Just like in churches there are spiritual fathers. For one to start prophesying and laying hands, somebody must have mentored him to get to that level, from maybe Catechist to pastor to archbishop to bishop before that person can break away. In politics too, somebody must mentor you. Like I mentioned earlier, I came here (National Assembly) as a legislative aide and I was guided, though criticised for being too young to run. So, while looking for ways to arrest this ugly trend, we should also look at reducing the running age.  How can you scrap godfatherism? when for example, you cannot be elected into the federal house if you do not have N100million. So, if you are a starter, someone needs to push you.
Again, it is the electorate that will stop godfatherism. When you hike and say, you won’t vote, if I don’t bring you money or a bag of rice. Where will I get it? I will have to go to a godfather, who will sponsor me. The party form is sold at 5million! Tell me, how many young Nigerians; have that amount to buy just form? They are not campaigning o! Just form! So, if you want to remove godfathers, call them sponsors, as godfatherism is a product of the system. The system must adjust itself, if we must stop godfatherism in its entirety but we cannot, so, we may reduce it to the barest minimum.



BILLS SPONSORED BY HON. UZOMA NKEM-ABONTA IN THE 1st SESSION OF THE 8th NATIONAL ASSEMBLY.

1.      Police Act (Amendment) Bill, 2015
2.      Satellite Towns Development Agency Bill, 2015
3.      Statutory Instrument (Legislative Scrutiny) Bill, 2015
4.      National Programme on Immunization (Repeal) Bill, 2015
5.      National Primary Health Care Development Agency (Amendment) Bill, 2015
6.      Petroleum Refineries (Incentives, Regulation and Miscellaneous Provision) Bill, 2015
7.      Environmental Managers Registration Council of Nigeria Bill, 2015
8.      Chartered sInstitute of Project Management Bill, 2015
9.      Federal Capital Territory Area Councils (Administrative and Political Structure) Bill, 2015
1.  Commodity Exchange Bill, 2015
1.  Emergency Communication Bill, 2015
1.  Investment and Securities (Amendment) Bill, 2015
1.  Telecommunication Facilities (Lawful Interception of Information) Bill, 2015
1.  International Trade Commission Bill, 2015
.  Free Trade Zones Bill, 2015
1.  Federal Competition and Consumer Protection Bill, 2015
1.  FCT HIV/Aids Control Agency Bill, 2015
1.  Energy Commission (Amendment) Bill, 2015
1.  Parental Rights and Child Control Bill, 2015
2.  Advisory Council on Religious Affairs Act (Repeal and Enactment) Bill, 2015
2.  Chartered Institute of Finance and Control of Nigeria Bill, 2015
2.  Chartered Institute of Export and Commodity Brokers of Nigeria Bill, 2015
2.  Gender and Equal Opportunities Bill, 2015
2.  Associated Gas Re-Injection (Repeal) Bill, 2015
2.  National Crop Varieties and Livestock Breeds (Registration ETC) (Amendment) Bill, 2015
2.  Produce (Enforcement of Export Standards) (Amendment) Bill, 2015
2.  Electorate Act (Amendment) Bill, 2015
2.  Recovery of Public Property (Special Provision) (Repeal) Bill, 2015
2.  Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provision) (Amendment) Bill, 2015
3.  Public Enterprises Regulatory Commission (Amendment) Bill, 2015
3.  National Film and Video Censors Board (Amendment) Bill, 2015
3.  Private Guards Companies (Amendment) Bill, 2015
3.  Hire Purchase (Amendment) Bill, 2015
4.  Animal Health and Husbandry Technologist (Registration, ETC) Bill, 2015
3.  Electronic Transaction Bill, 2016
3.  Chartered Institute of Operations Management Bill, 2016
3.  Labour Institutions Bill, 2016
3  Labour Standards Bill, 2016
3.  FCT Hospital Management Board Bill, 2016
4.  Office of the Nigeria Financial Ombudsman Bill, 2016
4.  Nigerian International Financial Centre Bill, 2016
4.  High Court of the Federal Capital Territory (Amendment) Bill, 2016
4.  FCT Traffic Management and Enforcement Authority Bill, 2016
4.  Infrastructure Development Bank of Nigeria (Establishment) Bill, 2016


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