Friday 20 January 2017

The Speaker of the House of Representatives and all Members are United on the Need to Confront Corruption ...OLADELE



 By Sunny Anderson Osiebe...




Corruption, like a tentacled monster has had a ubiquitous grip on every institutional frame work of the nation for years. However the unprecedented fight against corruption championed by the President Buhari in this administration is unquestionable. Hon. Kayode Oladele who himself is an anti- corruption crusader and Chairman, House Committee on Financial Crimes, in this interview with Anderson Osiebe commends the President’s effort and political will in leaving no stone unturned in the fight against corruption. He also sheds light on the misconceptions surrounding the anti-corruption crusade of this administration and its anti-graft agencies as well as the gains of the crusade among others. Excerpts:

How would you assess the anti-corruption war as being prosecuted by the Buhari administration, given that the President has spent a year in office? Is the main opposition party, the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP) right to say that they have been the sole targets of the anti-corruption agencies?
I can tell you that never in the history of the country have we fought corruption the way the president is doing. One of the things that have made the anti-corruption fight under the current administration different is that there is a clear show of political will from the leadership. No one is in doubt that he has the will, the passion to fight corruption. Also in the past one year, we in the National Assembly have played an important role by supporting the president's fight against corruption. You will recall that part of our legislative agenda is to fight corruption and to also effectively collaborate with the Executive in this regard. The Speaker of the House and all members are united on the need to confront corruption. How have we gone about this? We have used the instrumentality of the budget. If you look at the 2016 Appropriation Bill signed into law by the president, especially the monies appropriated to anti-corruption agencies, the EFCC to be precise is different from that of the previous years. This is to ensure that it enjoys some financial autonomy, that it has sufficient funds to discharge its functions. In the budget, we provided the agency with funds to complete its head office, so that it can stop renting offices like they have done in the past 13 years. EFCC spends as much as N20 million per year on rent alone. We are also mindful of the fact that EFCC is involved in work that exposes them to danger, so provided life insurance for staff of the agency in the 2016 Budget. And for the first time, the agency is also embarking on recruitment in an unprecedented manner. The vacancies have been advertised. More importantly, in terms of legislation, so many Bills are being looked into by the National Assembly. For example, the President has sent money laundering bill. There is also the amendment bill on the EFCC Act which has reached the public hearing stage. We have the Mutual Legal Assistance Bill which is also before the National Assembly and Civil Assets Forfeiture Bill. These are Bills the National Assembly is looking into with the view of assisting the anti-corruption agencies, particularly the EFCC in doing its work.
On the issue that the PDP has been the target of the anti-corruption agencies, we have to be careful with what we say in order not to water down the enormity of the crisis the country is facing as a result of the 16 years misrule of the PDP. It was the PDP that governed the country for 16 years, so it is the years of running government that will be looked into. But as I always say, if there is any allegation of wrongdoing against anybody in the APC, people should feel free to call on the anti-corruption agencies to look into it.

There were grave allegations leveled against the former EFCC boss, Ibrahim Larmode, over the management of seized monies including those in offshore accounts. Many expressed worry that the new EFCC boss, Ibrahim Mangu being a junior colleague to Larmode might not be able to investigate him, what has your committee done about these allegations?
I believe that as a journalist, you should also be concerned about the person who leveled the allegations. I think that it is right we ask ourselves questions when allegations are leveled against anyone. The media needs to be more circumspect. The man that made those allegations at the time was George Uboh. He made the allegations at the same time that he was standing trial for fraud. He was actually charged to Court by Larmode because of the Police equipment fraud matter. It is the same individual who had served a seven year jail term in the United States. Recently too, he was jailed in Nigeria for three years. So who is corrupt? The man he wrote petition against? It is simply a case of corruption fighting back. You will also recall that when the current EFCC chairman appeared before my committee, he was asked a similar question and he said there was no truth to the allegations.
What is your take on the president's response to Prime Minister David Cameron describing Nigeria as fantastically corrupt? President Buhari simply asked the UK Government to assist in ensuring that the monies stashed or invested in England by corrupt Nigerians are returned. How do you think we can do a proper follow-up to this?
I have to give it to the president. He reacted the same way my father would react, given the circumstances. He must have thought that in that situation, the end would justify the means. He probably was thinking that, 'you can call me any name you wish', but return my money". But definitely, my reaction would have been different. For me, the statement was uncalled for, unwarranted, reckless and very demeaning to the image of the country. Of course the President reacted like any peace loving person would. But also that response was a loaded statement because we know in our society; it is not just the person that steals but the receiver of the stolen goods is not also free.
How much has been fleeted away and how much has been recovered? Are you satisfied with the way the returned monies are declared?
You see, when it comes to the amount of money that has been recovered. When Nuhu Ribadu came in, there were some recoveries regarding the Abacha loot and it was returned to the government purse. Then, under Farida Waziri and Lamorde, there were recoveries also. I have to tell you that when money is recovered, it is not kept in order for us to say, this or that amount is what we recovered in the past ten years. They are returned into the federation account and injected into the economy. But I know that since Mangu came in, I know that at least we have recovered well over three billion USD and we are still counting. I believe that the President is in a better position to speak on this and very soon he will be making broadcast and am sure he will tell Nigerians what has been recovered.

Do you think the EFCC has conducted itself in a manner that shows that it respects the Rule of Law, under the Buhari administration? There have been cases where accused persons are being re-arrested immediately they are granted bail, there has been allegations by Former President Goodluck Jonathan's cousin that he is being coerced into making incriminating statements against the former president. What is your take?
There are misconceptions of the granting of bail to persons and the consequences of granting an accused person bail. Yes, EFCC can re-arrest somebody after been granted bail, based on fresh evidence. For example, if a person was charged to court based on the allegation that he stole five million dollars and he is granted bail, based on application for bail. Meanwhile, investigations continued even as the case continued in court and there are new revelations of another amount that is fresh evidence that has nothing to do with the case in court. The accused can be re-arrested based on the fresh evidence.  


Can you confirm whether or not your Committee is in receipt of the audited account of EFCC?
We are trying our best and we are going to do everything possible to ensure that the EFCC is also accountable to our committee being the Representatives of our people. There's a general saying that who is policing the police? Policing the police in this context means that, we as members of the Committee on financial crimes in the House of Representatives together with our Colleagues in the Senate are doing everything possible to hold the EFCC accountable to the people.
Annual Report?
On the issue of the annual report, I'm aware that the Commission do lay before the National Assembly every year, may be around October or so, it's annual report in accordance with the law because what the law says is that every year the Commission should present to the National Assembly its annual report, whether it is audited or not audited is a different thing. But at least the law says that they must present an annual report. And from what I understand, most of the time it is audited annual report. We are going to ensure that what they present this year will also be the audited annual report.
Dump site
Number two, on the issue of the dump site, dump sites easily create little confusion, and I will tell you why. Most of the vehicles that are dumped or put at the dump sites are items/exhibits that were seized from individuals EFCC is investigating. EFCC does not have the power to dispose off a property until there's a conviction. So if EFCC seizes a property from somebody or a vehicle and they put it there, they do not have the power to dispose off that vehicle until there's a conviction. Because that person might be acquitted and if he's acquitted, definitely, he will be made to go away with his items. But the problem we have is that, most of the people from whose hands that these vehicles were seized have ran away. They don't have any interest in claiming those vehicles again and those who even have interests in claiming those vehicles also delay their own trials in courts for years. As I said earlier when somebody is delaying, the vehicles are getting rotten, but the EFCC is incapacitated because they are waiting for a decision, whether convicted or acquitted. If he's convicted then there will be a forfeiture order by the court, then they will forfeit the property to the Government or the victims of his action. But if that person is acquitted of course, all his property will be released to him. So when you see them there, some of them are subjects of litigation and these cases are unending, and because they're unending, they have not reached conclusion, the EFCC is powerless and they cannot do anything.
We also know that a sizeable number of them belong to people that have ran away, that are no longer interested in claiming them. So what we want to do is this, my Committee is planning to have an oversight visit to the dump sites. What you see in Abuja that you're talking about is a child's play compared to what they have in Lagos. As a matter of fact, what you have in Abuja is like a quarter of the dump site in Lagos, another very big dump site is in Port Harcourt. As a matter of fact, there's a ship there that is sinking already. Because it's been on one point for a long time and it's sinking. It's a seized ship from an accused person. So we want to visit these areas and without any attempt to pre-empt what we want to do, we have some plans to decongest the place and by the time we come back from the oversight visit if you come for another round of interview, I will tell you what is going to happen.
What is your Committee's plan to address backlog of cases lined up on political exposed persons (PEP) being tried by EFCC that are no more made public?
As I said earlier on in this interview, the criminal justice system is a big factor and the President also understands that problem, that even if EFCC finish their investigation and charge the case to court, the bulk does not stop at the EFCC desk, it is left to the Judiciary to do its work. And you know that some of these people are very powerful. Some of them have many SAN defending them, they frustrate cases.
But what's the way forward?
There will be special courts and I think when we have that, it might go a long way to quickly expedite action. I hope the President would approve that. I know there's recommendation for that.

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